Episode 142

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26th Nov 2024

How to Build High-Performing Teams Using Data Driven Insights | Rob Shaw & Andy Perkins

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In this episode of The HR L&D Podcast, host Nick Day dives into the science of team development with Rob Shaw, Co-founder of Meta Team, and Andy Perkins, a seasoned leader in learning and development with 35+ years of experience.


Together, they unpack the secrets to building resilient, high-performing teams through a groundbreaking data-driven approach.


Discover how the Meta Team framework uses behavioral diagnostics to pinpoint team strengths, address blind spots, and foster habits that drive both adaptability and trust. Learn how to balance the inner game (trust, resilience, focus, and purpose) with the outer game (influencing, decision-making, agility, and adaptability) to maximize team potential in today's dynamic workplace.


🔥 What You'll Learn in This Episode:

  • The critical role of trust and purpose in team performance.
  • How to use data-driven diagnostics to solve real team challenges.
  • Why balancing "inner" and "outer" habits is essential for success.
  • Practical strategies for enhancing resilience, adaptability, and engagement.
  • How HR professionals can leverage team dynamics to influence C-suite objectives.


This episode also explores the future of team development, the integration of AI in HR, and why tailored interventions outperform one-size-fits-all solutions.


For HR leaders, team managers, and anyone passionate about driving organizational excellence, this conversation is packed with actionable insights.



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Connect with Nick Day: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickday/



Of course, if you are an HR or L&D professional listening to this podcast and you have an HR, HRIS or L&D related vacancy that you would love some specialist HR recruitment support with – please also get in touch with me! I would love to help show you what a great HR recruitment experience feels like! You can reach out to me directly at nick@jgarecruitment.com or give me a call – 01727800377.


Thanks for listening folks – I look forward to bringing you the next episode of the HR L&D Podcast real soon!



(00:00) Introduction

(02:21) The Importance of Team Dynamics 

(05:02) The Biggest Challenges Team Leaders Face

(07:32) The Role of Team Development in Addressing Burnout  

(09:40) Why Leadership Development Isn’t Enough  

(11:00) Introducing the Meta Team Framework  

(15:16) Addressing Root Causes of Team Challenges  

(18:07) Building Trust to Enhance Team Performance  

(23:56) How Purpose and Focus Shape Teams  

(28:29) AI in Team Development: Opportunities and Limitations  

(33:06) The Meta Team Diagnostic Process Explained  

(39:30) Developing Adaptability and Resilience in Teams  

(42:07) Retesting to Measure Progress Over Time  

(45:32) Global Perspectives on Team Development  

(48:08) Overcoming Fear Around Team Coaching  



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The HR L&D Podcast
Leadership, recruitment, culture. Conversations with HR's best
HR gets handed the problems nobody else wants to own. The restructure, the grievance, the engagement survey that came back badly. And then gets asked why people are leaving.

I'm Nick Day. I run an HR recruitment agency, which means I spend most of my week on the phone to HR directors, HR leaders and people leaders talking about what the job is actually like rather than what's written on the job spec. This HR Podcast came out of those calls. I kept hearing things worth repeating, and nobody was repeating them.

Every week I sit down with HR leaders, chief people officers, L&D specialists and the occasional academic who has changed how I think about work and people engagement. We get into leadership, and what happens when someone brilliant at the technical side gets promoted into managing humans.

Employee engagement past the survey score. Diversity, equity and inclusion in a climate where saying those words out loud has become a decision in itself. Pay transparency, talent management, reducing bias in hiring, HR digital transformation and the HCM systems everyone is being sold. And of course we cannot forget HR AI tools and platforms that are flooding the landscape as AI in HR becomes a hot topic every people leader is keen to understand and leverage.

Wellbeing comes up constantly, and it usually turns into the same question. Who looks after the HR team.

I'm not an HR practitioner and I don't pretend to be. I'm the person who hires them, which puts me in a useful position. I get to ask the obvious question that everyone in the room already knows the answer to and nobody says.

No script and no polite version. Mostly it's the conversation you'd have with someone doing your job at a different company, if you ever got the chance to sit down with them.

If you work in HR, people management or L&D, or you're building a career in it, start by subscribing to The HR L&D Podcast. We have had guests including Stephen Covey, Alan Stein Jnr, Andrea Wareham and Dr. Thom Mayer among other HR Leaders who are shaping the future of work and leadership.

Need HR staff? I run JGA Recruitment, an HR and payroll recruitment agency. www.jgarecruitment.com or info@jgarecruitment.com

Want to be on the show? Nick@jgadigital.com

If payroll is closer to your world, I also host The Payroll Podcast, the most listened to payroll show in the world.

Topics include HR leadership, workplace culture, retention, people management, employee engagement, diversity, equity and inclusion, DEI strategy, AI for HR, AI recruitment tools, talent management, HR digital transformation, HCM, staff wellbeing, pay transparency, reducing bias, L&D and HR recruitment.

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